![]() Anyone can achieve a 3000+ elo on puzzles, but very few can do this on lichess, I have only seen 2 I think. Most players sitting north of 2400 are titled players, whereas on there are thousands of players in the 1000-1400 range of normal elo but sitting at like 3000+ puzzle ratings, its absurdly inflated, although most people don't give a shiz about puzzle ratings and their meaning to begin with, so it's more for information than anything else. I would say though that the actual meaning behind the elo is completely off for, whereas on lichess there seems to be a very heavy correlation between puzzle elo and actual elo, although it leans more towards an equivalence on longer time controls. It's also nice I think for children, because they really need to feel like they are improving, giving them the gift of inflated elo can help them find the determination to continue on and push harder I believe, and they tend to take failure a lot harder as well, and since the goal with training kids is to get them to find joy in chess, it can definitely serve a purpose there. I think there is value in puzzle training, I just think for players looking to actually learn deep thinking, its not nearly as good as lichess, but it serves some niche purposes for certain. Also, you are correct, if your head is feeling fuzzy, logging on to puzzles is going to feel less punishing than lichess, so it is something to consider. And one could argue that for things like learning to spot tactics in blitz matches this might actually be better. So like I said, if you don't want to deal with challenging puzzles it's actually good. If you miss one it guarantees that the next 3-4 puzzles will be way easier. This is a part of their algorithm that inflates elo across the board. I feel like the puzzles are better adapted to how well you are thinking on a particular day, if you get three or four wrong in a row it will throw you some significantly easier ones which is a big help, whilst on lichess I frequently will get 5 plus in a row wrong and just give up because I'm not at my previous standard due to being tired etc. You simply will never see this difficulty on puzzles, and if you did, it's not worth investing time to solve because you get punished for spending more than 10-15 seconds on a puzzle. Where-as a 2700-2800 puzzle on lichess will almost certainly be a very deep methodical way of extracting some kind of positional advantage or perhaps winning 1-2 pawns or a minor piece. On my last stretch from 2700-2900 on I probably saw like 5 puzzles that were just straight up a hanging queen for example, which is not what you would expect to see at that elo. But I don't think I have seen a single puzzle on that is harder than your average lichess 2300-2400 puzzle, so if u want the tough puzzles lichess is your bet. The one nice thing about puzzles, is they are easier so if you really just want to slam through puzzles quickly without being challenged much it's great for that. I think a lot of people just don't like lichess because it doesn't stroke the ego as hard as puzzles do, and it's easier to point fingers at lichess puzzle algorithms than it is to admit this. I have heard players say that lichess puzzles sometimes don't make sense, but I have done quite a bit there and every time I think the puzzle might have a mistake in it, after careful evaluation I always see that there was an error in my line of thought, always, 100% of the time. It took me 1 day to hit 2900 elo there without even thinking about any of them and took me several months to achieve a 2600 rating on lichess, many of the puzzles being pretty intensely difficult to solve. ![]() And you will find tens of thousands of players over 2800 elo, where there are only a handful on lichess. There are multple players sitting at like 64000 elo on leaderboards for example. The high end puzzles are significantly more difficult than what you find on, which has a design that heavily inflates elo. ![]() Please continue to give us your feedback and suggestions on how we can help make /r/chess better for everyone.Īlso remember the puzzle ratings and player elo on lichess are far more accurate than on, so not only is it free, it's just straight up better. ![]() Use the message the moderators link if your posts or comments don't appear, or for help with any administrative matters. ![]() Twitter/Facebook posts must contain a direct link to the tweet/post, and include the author's nameĬhess Spoiler format for problem answers etc., Instructions for /r/chess PGN addon ( Chrome, Firefox)ĭon’t engage in abusive, discriminatory, or bigoted behavior.ĭon't ask for advice about ongoing games.ĭo not use /r/chess exclusively to promote your own content. News Puzzles Games Strategy Twitch Other Resources ![]()
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